Georg Habermann

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• Reference Number: 15581

Georg married Katharina Pfeil on 2 Sep 1886 in Russia. Katharina was born in 1856 in Russia. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Name: Christian Habermann
• Reference Number: 3810
• Residence: 1834, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH101
• Residence: 1850, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH138
• Residence: 1857, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH148

Johann married Sophia Katharina Krull. Sophia was born in 1833. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Reference Number: 5550
• Residence: 1857, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH148

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• Reference Number: 2131
• Birth: 1796, Kukkus, Samara, Russia
• Residence: 1798, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH22
• Residence: 1816, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH28

Notes:

JDS Notes:
It's clear from the 1834 Rev List that he'd been married at least twice.

In the absence of better information:

1) I would assume a first wife was the mother of his first three known kids, 1815, 1820, and 1822.
2) I would assumed his second wife was the mother of his kids born in 1827, 1829, and 1832.
3) The second wife was a Katharina Sophia Kriess, who I suspect came from the Griess (spelled as such) HH 216 in Norka in 1798, which appears to be the only place males with this surnamed existed in 1798. She was probably born after 1798 to one of the three eldest sons listed there.

The 1834 Rev List makes note that George Adam (Kriess) was the illegitimate son of Habermann's deceased wife Katharina Sophia, so we know she was unmarried in 1822 and could not be the mother of Habermann's eldest three kids.

Here's where things get complicated...

Lauwe marriage records show a Nov 1833 marriage (perhaps just the bann, with the marriage being a bit later) of Wilhelm Preuss (born about 1792) and a widow Margaretha Elisabeth Habermann born Schumann (born about 1801).

This widow I believe was the Margaretha Elisabeth Schumann born 19 Jul 1801 in Laub, married Andreas Heinrich Doos (9 Apr 1800 - 1825) of Dinkel, with whom she had five known kids, married Johann Friedrich Habermann of Kukkus sometime thereafter, and married Wilhelm Preuss of Lauwe in late 1833.

In looking across all non-Catholic colonies that have been transcribed, which includes pretty much any colony that this woman could have been widowed in, the only one with a male Habermann that died prior to 1834 that could possibly fit is Johann Friedrich Habermann in Kukkus, noted as dying in (about) 1833.

If I'm correct:

1) Habermann had some earlier wife (perhaps more than one) that was the mother of his first three known kids. This wife died as early as 1822, perhaps in childbirth.
2) Katharina Sophia (Griess-Kriess) could not have married Habermann any earlier than about 1823, as she had her illegitimate kid in 1822, probably in Norka, and Habermann also had a kid by his first wife in 1822. An unwed mother with and infant from another colony would be a good match for a recently-widowed guy with three kids, one being an infant, as both had infants needing support, and an unwed mother would often "leave town" to marry.
3) Margaretha Elisabeth (Schumann) was married to Habermann at the time of his death in (about) 1833, and could not have married him any earlier than very late 1825 as her Doos husband died in (about) 1825, and she had a child by him in Oct 1825. I would expect her to have remarried in about 1826, perhaps to Habermann, perhaps to someone else.
4) George Adam Kriess, being an illegitimate kid who clearly came to Kukkus with his mother, as he appears there in 1834 (and thereafter), was likely raised by Habermann nearly from infancy, and remained with Habermann after his mother's death.
5) The note about Kriess being the illegitimate son of Habermann's deceased wife Katharina Sophia is probably specific in naming her to make clear that she was not his last wife, and that George Adam was not of his last wife.

The only real questions that I think remain are:

1) When did Katharina Sophia die?
2) Who might Margaretha Elisabeth (Schumann) Doos have married in about 1826 if not Habermann?
3) When did Habermann marry Margaretha Elisabeth (Schumann) Doos … ?

That Habermann had no known kids between 1822 and 1827 suggests to me that Katharina Sophia was not the mother of those beginning in 1827. It's possible, of course, but seems like a large gap to have no surviving kids.
On the other hand, if Margaretha Elisabeth married Habermann in about 1826, she could easily have been the mother of those kids. This would mean that Katharina Sophia died in about 1825.
If Margaretha Elisabeth did not marry Habermann in about 1826, then she would have married someone else, been widowed, and then married Habermann later.

In any case, I think Margaretha Elisabeth had to be the wife of Habermann at the time of his death in (about) 1833.


Died:
note on HH 101

Johann married Margaretha Elisabeth Schumann about 1826. Margaretha was born on 19 Jul 1801 in Laub, Samara, Russia. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Reference Number: 15915

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Possible wife to Johann Friedrich Habermann and mother of his last 3 children:
JDS Notes-
Lauwe marriage records show a Nov 1833 marriage (perhaps just the bann, with the marriage being a bit later) of Wilhelm Preuss (born about 1792) and a widow Margaretha Elisabeth Habermann born Schumann (born about 1801).

This widow I believe was the Margaretha Elisabeth Schumann born 19 Jul 1801 in Laub, married Andreas Heinrich Doos (9 Apr 1900 - 1825) of Dinkel, with whom she had five known kids, married Johann Friedrich Habermann of Kukkus sometime thereafter, and married Wilhelm Preuss of Lauwe in late 1833.

In looking across all non-Catholic colonies that have been transcribed, which includes pretty much any colony that this woman could have been widowed in, the only one with a male Habermann that died prior to 1834 that could possibly fit is Johann Friedrich Habermann in Kukkus, noted as dying in (about) 1833.

If I'm correct:

1) Habermann had some earlier wife (perhaps more than one) that was the mother of his first three known kids. This wife died as early as 1822, perhaps in childbirth.
2) Katharina Sophia (Griess-Kriess) could not have married Habermann any earlier than about 1823, as she had her illegitimate kid in 1822, probably in Norka, and Habermann also had a kid by his first wife in 1822. An unwed mother with and infant from another colony would be a good match for a recently-widowed guy with three kids, one being an infant, as both had infants needing support, and an unwed mother would often "leave town" to marry.
3) Margaretha Elisabeth (Schumann) was married to Habermann at the time of his death in (about) 1833, and could not have married him any earlier than very late 1825 as her Doos husband died in (about) 1825, and she had a child by him in Oct 1825. I would expect her to have remarried in about 1826, perhaps to Habermann, perhaps to someone else.
4) George Adam Kriess, being an illegitimate kid who clearly came to Kukkus with his mother, as he appears there in 1834 (and thereafter), was likely raised by Habermann nearly from infancy, and remained with Habermann after his mother's death.
5) The note about Kriess (note on 1834 census) being the illegitimate son of Habermann's deceased wife Katharina Sophia is probably specific in naming her to make clear that she was not his last wife, and that George Adam was not of his last wife.

Additional notes under Johann Friedrich Habermann.

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• Name: Johannes Haberman
• Name: Johannes Halbermann
• Reference Number: 1686
• Birth: 1763
• Arrival: 1788, Kukkus, Samara, Russia
• Residence: 1798, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH22
• Residence: 1816, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH28

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1798 Census notes he is from Balzer

Johannes married Anna Margaretha Baum. Anna (daughter of Adam Baum) was born about 1755. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Name: Anna Baum
• Name: Anna Maria Baum
• Name: Margaretha Baum
• Reference Number: 716
• Birth: Abt 1754
• Birth: Abt 1756
• Arrival: 8 Aug 1766, Oranienbaum, Saint Petersburg, Russia
• Residence: 1767, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH50a
• Arrival: 26 Jun 1767, Kukkus, Samara, Russia
• Residence: 1798, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH22

Notes:

She arrived in Oranienbaum from Luebeck on 8 Aug 1766 on the Luebeck under Skipper Weibe Heinrichson in the company of her widowed father Adam, her sister Maria, 16, and her brother Heinrich, 14. She was listed as Anna, 10 1/2

She is listed in the transport list from Oranienbaum to the Volga Colonies as Margreta, 13, with sister Maria, 22, and brother Heinrich, 19. It would appear that several years were added to each of their ages for some unknown reason.

She is listed as Anna Maria Baum in the Kukkus FSL with her brother Heinrich where it is indicated they had lived in the household by Wilhelm Kloss in Oranienbaum after the death of their father Adam. She is listed in the 1798 Volga Census as Margaretha Baum with her second husband.

Her true name is assumed to have been Anna Margaretha Baum.

On 1798 census she is listed as married to Johannes Habermann and the widow of Heinrich Johannes with 3 of Heinrich Johannes's children living in the Habermann Household.

Birth:
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Married:
2nd husb