Ida de Tosny le Bigod Toeni

Aft 1160 - 1204  (< 42 years)

• Name	Ida de Tosny le Bigod Toeni  [1, 2]
  Birth	Aft 1160	Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
  Gender	Female
  Death	31 Mar 1204	Ripon, Yorkshire, England
  Person ID	I7274	FelsingFam
  Last Modified	21 Dec 2024

  
  

  Family 1	2nd Earl of Norfolk, Roger Bigod,   b. Abt 1144   d. 2 Aug 1221 (Age ~ 77 years)
  Children	+ 1. Hugh le Bigod,   b. Abt 1185   d. 18 Feb 1225 (Age ~ 40 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]
  Family ID	F2355	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	21 Dec 2024

  
  

  Family 2	Henry II King of England Plantagenet,   b. 5 Mar 1133, Le Mans, Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France d. 6 Jul 1189, Chateau de Chinon, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France (Age 56 years)
  Children	+ 1. Earl of Salisbury, William Longespee Plantagenet,   b. 1176, England d. 7 Mar 1226, Salisbury Castle, Wiltshire, England (Age 50 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]
  Family ID	F2326	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	21 Dec 2024

  
  

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  Birth - Aft 1160 - Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Death - 31 Mar 1204 - Ripon, Yorkshire, England  = Link to Google Earth

  
  

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  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Toeni-31 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Ida de Tosny Noble family de Tosny Spouse(s) Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk Father (likely) Ralph IV de Tosny Mother (likely) Margaret de Beaumont Ida de Tosny, Countess of Norfolk (died after 1181), was very likely a daughter of Ralph V de Tosny (died 1162) and his wife Margaret (born circa 1125 and living in 1185), a daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester.[1] Relationship to King Henry II Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of Henry II, King of England, by whom she was mother of one of his illegitimate sons, William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury,[2] (c. 1176 - 7 March 1226), as proven by the discovery of a charter of William mentioning "Comitissa Ida, mater mea" (Countess Ida, my mother).[3] Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as a royal mistress. Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), was the ward of King Henry I and the mistress of one of his sons.[4] Marriage Around Christmas 1181, Ida de Tosny was given in marriage to Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk by Henry II, together with the manors of Acle, Halvergate and South Walsham, which had been confiscated from his inheritance after his father's death (Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk).[5] Ida and Roger had a number of children including: Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206 or 1207, Maud Marshal, a daughter of William Marshal William Bigod Roger Bigod John Bigod Ralph Bigod Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert Margery Bigod, married William de Hastings Ida Bigod Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV, 2nd Earl of Oxford as his second wife. However this is highly unlikely as the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford. Biography from wikitree: Name Different spelling of surname Tony, Toeni, de Toeni, Tosny A source for spelling surname, "Royal Ancestry" Douglas Richardson 2013 Vol. V. page 171 Ida de Tosny, Countess of Norfolk[1] House of Tosny or Tosney[1] Alice's husband's DNB [www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/2378/?back=,2376 article] also has de Tosny, as well as her son's [www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/2376?docPos=2 article]. Note, some sources do not have parents or a surname for her, e.g. "Ida, daughter of ---"[2] Royal Mistress ward and mistress of Henry II[1] Prior to her marriage with Roger Bigod, Ida Toeni was a mistress of Henry II of England. Allegedly, their son is William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury. Perhaps the most important correction included in this book is the maternity of William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury, a well known illegitimate son of King Henry II of England. William has long been thought to have been the product of his father’s illicit affair with “Fair” Rosamond Clifford. In 1979 Vera London published charter evidence which proved that William was actually the son of an unidentified “Countess Ida.” In 1993 Douglas Richardson identified William’s mother as Ida, wife of Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk. This identification has been confirmed in recent time by the research of Ray Phair. [3] 1181 Marriage m. 1181 Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk[1] Issue Ida de Tony as mistress to Henry II had one son: William Longspee Ida de Tony and her husband Roger le Bigod had five sons and three daughters: [4] Hugh (5th Earl of Norfolk)[4]Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk m. 1206 or 1207 Maud Marshal dau. William Marshal[1] William[4]William Bigod[1] Roger[4]Roger Bigod[1] John[4] Ralph[4]Ralph Bigod[1] Mary[4]Mary Bigod m. Ralph FitzRobert[1] Margaret[4]Margery Bigod m. William de Hastings[1] Ida[4] Children currently linked in WikiTree who are not verified by Richardson [4] Thomas Alice/Adeliza Unknown Bigod married Basset Sources ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 1.9 Wikipedia: Ida de Tosny ↑ Cawley, Charles, Medieval Lands Project on Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk, Medieval Lands database, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ↑ Douglas Richardson, Introduction to Plantagenet Ancestry www.royalancestry.net ↑ 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.8 4.9 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Volume I, page 362 http://www.thepeerage.com/p21779.htm#i217789 "Royal Ancestry" 2013 by Douglas Richardson Vol. I page 40 Illegitimate child of Henry II, by a mistress, Ida de Tony, daughter of Ralph de Tony (died 1162), by Margaret, daughter of Robert, 2nd Earl of Leicester. Ida later became the wife of Roger le Bigod, Earl of Norfolk (died 1221). Royal Ancestry 2013 D. Richardson Vol. I p. 362-364 Magna Carta Ancestry 2011 2nd ed. Vol. I p. 197-200 "Royal Ancestry" 2013 by Douglas Richardson Vol. V. page 171 See also: www.royalancestry.net Wikipedia:William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury Henry II of England Illegitimate children: by Ida, wife of Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk: While it had been known for some time that the mother of William was a "countess" Ida, her identity was only recently proven. As one of two known contemporary English countesses named Ida, the wife of Roger Bigod had already been a prime candidate [see Reed (2002), which was going to press just as the crucial discovery was made]. Convincing proof of her identity as the wife of Roger Bigod was only recently discovered by Raymond W. Phair, who announced his discovery in the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup on 3 July 2002, and then published it in The American Genealogist [Phair (2002)], citing a list of prisoners after the Battle of Bouvines in 1214, in which Ralph Bigod was called a brother of the earl of Salisbury. The parentage of Ida remains unknown, but see Reed (2002) for the possibility that she might have been a daughter of Roger de Toeni and Ida of Hainault. William "Longespee", b. ca. 1170 [See Reed (2002)], d. 1226 [Rog. Wendover iv, 116-7], earl of Salisbury. [Rog. Hov. iv, 13]; m. Ela, heiress of Salisbury. [See CP 11, 379; DNB 12, 115-118]

  
  

• Sources

  [S943] Gary Boyd Roberts, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the Unite States, (Name: Genealogical Publishing Co; Location: Baltimore, Maryland, USA; Date: 2008;). [S933] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A study in Colonial and Medieval Families Vol 1, (Date: 2011;).