Anna Barbara Maser b. 1775 Kukkus, Samara, Russia d. Bef 1834

1775 - Bef 1834 (< 58 years)

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Name Anna Barbara Maser [1]

Birth 1775 Kukkus, Samara, Russia [1, 2, 3, 4]

Gender Female

Residence 1798 Kukkus, Samara, Russia [1]

HH40

Death Bef 1834

not on 1834 census

Siblings 4 Siblings

	1. Conrad Maser, b. 1766, Russia d. Bef May 1780 (Age < 14 years)
+	2. Anna Barbara Maser, b. 1775, Kukkus, Samara, Russia d. Bef 1834 (Age < 58 years) ▻ Johann Martin Kisselman, m. 1793
	3. Anna Maria Maser, b. 1779, Kukkus, Samara, Russia
+	4. Agnessa Maser, b. 1782, Kukkus, Samara, Russia d. Aft 1850 (Age > 69 years) ▻ Johann David Backer
+	5. Gottfried Maser, b. 1784, Kukkus, Samara, Russia d. 1849, Kukkus, Samara, Russia (Age 65 years) ▻ Anna Elisabeth Unknown; Barbara Rothermel

Person ID I3189 FelsingFam

Last Modified 21 Dec 2024

Father	Gottfried Maser, b. 23 Nov 1742, Lengfeld, Kreis Darmstadt-Dieburg, Hesse, Germany d. 1821, Kukkus, Samara, Russia (Age 78 years)
Relationship	natural
Mother	Anna Eva Lutz, b. 20 Jan 1742, Lengfeld, Kreis Darmstadt-Dieburg, Hesse, Germany
Relationship	natural
Marriage	Bef 1766	Germany [5, 6, 7, 8]
Family ID	F901	Group Sheet \| Family Chart

Family Johann Martin Kisselman, b. 1772 d. 1847, Kukkus, Samara, Russia (Age 75 years)

Marriage 1793 Kukkus, Samara, Russia

Children

+	1. Anna Maria Kisselmann, b. 1795 [Father: natural] [Mother: natural]
+	2. Johann Gottfried Kisselman, b. Between 1799 and 1816, Kukkus, Samara, Russia [Father: natural] [Mother: natural]
+	3. Johannes Kisselman, b. 1801, Kukkus, Samara, Russia [Father: natural] [Mother: natural]
+	4. Gottfried Kisselman, b. 1812, Kukkus, Samara, Russia [Father: natural] [Mother: natural]
+	5. Maria Elisabeth Kisselman, b. 1814 [Father: natural] [Mother: natural]

Family ID F805 Group Sheet | Family Chart

Last Modified 21 Dec 2024

Event Map

Birth - 1775 - Kukkus, Samara, Russia

Marriage - 1793 - Kukkus, Samara, Russia

Residence - HH40 - 1798 - Kukkus, Samara, Russia

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Notes

The gap in children's ages may imply that Anna Barbara died and is not the mother of the younger children.
We know from the Felsing Surname Chart that our Great, Great Grandfather Johannes Felsing b.1811 married Maria Elisabeth Kisselman b. 1814. What clues can we find to the parentage of Maria Elisabeth?

The 1798 Kukkus Census shows only one Kisselman family in Kukkus, and that family is living in the Gottfried Maser household (Household #44). That would be Martin Kisselmann b. 1772 (from Balzer) who married the daughter of Gottfried Maser, Anna Barbara b. 1775. They have one child Anna Maria b. 1795. We find a note in the Balzer movement chart, that Martin Kisselman moved to Kukkus in 1793.

(As an interesting sidenote, we also see on the Balzer movement chart that Christoph Hergenroeder and family moved from Balzer to Kukkus in 1790-Christoph is the great grandfather of Johannes b.1811)

On the 1816/1834 census we again find only one Kisselmann family (household #17); Johann Martin Kisselmann b.1772. Even though he does not have a spouse living with him, or a daughter named Anna Maria, I think that it is clear that he is the same person whom we found in the 1798 census. We find one son Gottfried living with him along with some grandchildren and their spouses.

Some notes on the format of the 1816/1834 census. What we see is a supposedly complete listing of the 1834 population along with some 1816 information on the 1834 people if they were alive and in Kukkus in 1816. However this seems to apply best to males. Females who have married and changed their surname prior to the 1834 census do not appear with any 1816 information. Whereas males do appear. So what we have is a supposedly complete 1834 listing, but an incomplete 1816 listing.

With that in mind we would not expect to see a listing for Maria Elisabeth Kisselman born in 1814 on the 1816/1834 Kukkus Census. She would be 2 years old in 1816, but most likely is married and has a different surname in 1834. So we would expect to see her only as a spouse in 1834 without her maiden name and we would therefore not expect to see any information listed for 1816.

We do see an Elisabeth b. 1814 married to Johannes Felsing (interestingly living only 2 households from the Kisselmann household). We know from the Felsing Surname Chart that Johannes married Maria Elisabeth Kisselmann b. 1814.

(another sidebar note: The Elisabeth Kisselman b. 6 Oct 1834 who is Dan's ancestor almost certainly has to be the same as the Elisabeth Kisselman age ¼ who is the daughter of Gottfried living in the Johann Martin Kisselman household. The Schengel household is in between the Kisselmann and Felsing household as you pointed out earlier. With the name, age and closeness of households I am certain she is the same person. Also we know she was born in Kukkus and when. Looking at the supposedly complete census for 1834 there is only one person who fits the bill. I have merged her in our database as the correct person.)

Consider that between 1798 and 1834 we only find evidence of one Kisselmann household in Kukkus. Consider that we only find a record of one male in Kukkus who was of an age to have a daughter born in 1814 and that male would be Johann Martin Kisselmann. Consider that the Felsing and Kisselmann households on the census are only separated by the Schengel household. If Maria Elisabeth was born in Kukkus, I would say it is almost certain that she would have been the daughter of Johann Martin. The other alternative would be that the wife of Johannes moved from another nearby colony and therefore was not the daughter of Johann Martin. The 1798 census index provided by Brent Mai shows the name Kisselmann also appearing in the colonies of Anton, Balzer, Donhof and Grimm. So it would certainly have been possible that she could have been born elsewhere.

My personal conclusion is that the wife of Johannes Felsing is indeed the daughter of Johann Martin Kisselmann. And therefore also the aunt of the Elisabeth Kisselman who is Dan's ancestor and who died in AuGres in 1918. However, at this point, because we have no evidence that Johann Martin even had a daughter named Maria Elisabeth, other than our intelligent deductions, I don't feel we can add that relationship into our database. Also we can we be sure when Anna Barbara Maser died and if she was the mother of Maria Elisabeth.

As we know Gottfried Maser is the great, great grandfather of Elisabeth Reitz. We now see that our grandfather may also have the same great, great grandfather. Therefore our Grandpa married his third cousin!

Sources

[S80] Brent Alan Mai, 1798 Census of the German Colonies along the Volga-Volume 1 & 2, (Name: American Historical Society of Germans from Russia (AHSGR); Location: Lincoln, Nebraska; Date: 1999;), Kukkus, Russia 1798 Census P641-647 as of 2 August 1798.
[S81] Derek Sturges, Descendants of Johannes Maser.
[S79] 1798 Census-Kukkus, Russia (Volskaya), (Name: AHSGR; Location: Lincoln, NB 68502;), 1798 Kukkus, Russia, Census.
[S2] Dr, Igor Pleve, Saratov State Technical University, Surname Charts, (Name: Igor Pleve; Location: Saratov, Russia;), Maser-Kukkus, Russia.
A surname chart of Village inhabitants with the same surname. Prepared from various Russian records including church records, transport records, immigration records and census lists.
[S362] Igor Pleve, Einwanderung in das Wolgagebeit 1764-1767 Band 2.
[S219] Sippenbuch Lengfeld/Odenwald, http://www.reeg.info/RM18.HTM.
[S261] Igor Pleve, Einwanderung in das Wolgagebeit 1764-1767 Band 2 Kolonien Galka-Kutter, (Name: Der Gottinger Arbeitskreis; Location: 37085 Gottingen, Germany; Date: 2001;).
[S220] Sippenbuch Lengfeld, Odenwald, Germany.